Iran war effects on ammo..

[bigrich]

i agree with deye 243 stock up as much as you can
but the people living week to week hardly give a stuff about ammo prices ,,what youve said is irrelevant to to his comment and whom hes talking about ,,
so what do you come into town from your big farm and walk around town at night looking at peoples houses to make yourself feel better ,,cant be too flat out as a farmer if youve got time for that,, maybe you should be after the ferals that are such a problem

i think you've missed the point
if you are on that tight of a budget your turning your lights of at night to save a dollar (as your mate implied ) whether you shoot or not
ammo prices wouldnt be a priority now would they ,,food and essentials probably would ,,not to mention the fuel to get them out even if they wanted to go hunting
so as i said his point was irrelevant to the comment that was made[/quote]

well that's clarified things a bit better for me on where your coming from in your view , but your previous post didn't really give me that impression , i interpreted it as slanging off at wapiti , when i got what he was saying that people are doing it tuff and ammo affordability matters . if you don't get on with wapiti that's between you two. i just wish things were clearer in meaning , like what you've just posted . maybe i'm just getting soft as i'm getting older

[fnq22]

Hey, big heros, if you don't think I contribute here, or you don't have anything intelligent to say except bitch like sit-to-p*ss girls, have me banned.
Start with the ignore function, then message the Mod that your sorry, contribute SFA fat arses are offended.
I got what I want, the reason why your sport is almost dead.
I dare ya. Hack, spit.

Geez you carry on with some sh!t dont ya... ..Why is it you always seem to take over other peoples threads and make it all about you and your views on everything besides the topic being discussed ..Pretty disrespectful IMO when you are more then welcome to spew your vitriolic poison on your own threads...Lifes too short to listen to narcissistic idiots..

Please put me on your ignore list like you promised when I called you a hobbyfarmer and I'll do the same....

[mchughcb]

This war isn't being fought with small arms or artillery. The price of oil affects all stages of production though.

[mickb]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

[Die Judicii]

Free speech should always be allowed but its till answerable. It can screw things up as much as anything else, it doesnt get a special pass. Same as speaking the truth.

I could stand up in a funeral and say "well that bloke is dead, the autopsy would have cut all his organs out, weighed them, stuffed them back in one blob, and his head wil be full of maggots any day now and I bet his kids are crying hahahah ". All free speech and all true, but not the done thing.

The way the world works is you come to some sort of agreement how to talk to people in a given situation. Thats all we are doing here. We arent making money or curing cancer or putting gun truths on stone tablets for god, we are taling to other shooters and enjoying their company. When it stops getting enjoyable you will have a dead forum.Thats the truth,

Well said Mick,,, Well said.
It's the animosity that really gets to me,,,, simply no real need for it.

[fussy]

For some reason or another if there is a war on in the world it's the Australian government's responsibility to blame it for the cost of everything. Wars can affect powders and other energetics but last time I checked it shouldn't effect insurance

The FTC, Federal Trade Commission in the USA released a report in 2024 saying the top players are now using 'the fog of war" ( quote) to entrench these practices.

And your policies will no doubt have a clause saying that war, acts of God or "Force Majeure" is not covered anyway, but thanks for the money, now go away.

[bigrich]

Free speech should always be allowed but its till answerable. It can screw things up as much as anything else, it doesnt get a special pass. Same as speaking the truth.

I could stand up in a funeral and say "well that bloke is dead, the autopsy would have cut all his organs out, weighed them, stuffed them back in one blob, and his head wil be full of maggots any day now and I bet his kids are crying hahahah ". All free speech and all true, but not the done thing.

The way the world works is you come to some sort of agreement how to talk to people in a given situation. Thats all we are doing here. We arent making money or curing cancer or putting gun truths on stone tablets for god, we are taling to other shooters and enjoying their company. When it stops getting enjoyable you will have a dead forum.Thats the truth,

yeah mate , well said . seems when it comes to the net these days respect and empathy don't exist and some like to rage at others at the drop of a hat . i don't see this behaviour on overseas forums , brits and yanks politely agree to disagree

[bigrich]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

your absolutely right about prices going up since covid and staying up , and everything else you covered in your post . the people of this nation are being price gouged on everything . it's disgusting

[ColdStart]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

your absolutely right about prices going up since covid and staying up , and everything else you covered in your post . the people of this nation are being price gouged on everything . it's disgusting

People of this nation have always been price gouged on most things, Its nothing new, small isolated market.

[wanneroo]

By now it should be clear to folks we are living in some sort of turning or dramatic shift in the world. For the better or for the worse, will shall see but in the meantime when it comes to things like shooting and hunting, my mindset is to prepare for a WW2 level duration of no supplies.

In other words have a 3-5 year supply of what I use on hand and also have a stock of supplies for reloading. Once I had that base established, anytime I would dip into it, I'd try to replace it. When Covid hit, I really didn't have to buy anything for 4 years and only picked up various little bits or bobs here and there. Things were so cheap during the first Trump term I probably bought too much.

There is a little upfront cost of course to establish that, but once you do it's just your regular costs like always and in fact it is better because you have enough supply you can sit on the sidelines and poach any good bulk deals or sales that come along. I haven't checked since Christmas but last year here 9mm dropped below $10 a box for regular target ammo, so even though I don't need any, I bought some anyways.

[bigrich]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

your absolutely right about prices going up since covid and staying up , and everything else you covered in your post . the people of this nation are being price gouged on everything . it's disgusting

People of this nation have always been price gouged on most things, Its nothing new, small isolated market.

as pointed out by others, it's definitely gotten worse since covid, and much more blatant . it's the sort of thing that needs to be investigated

[bigrich]

By now it should be clear to folks we are living in some sort of turning or dramatic shift in the world. For the better or for the worse, will shall see but in the meantime when it comes to things like shooting and hunting, my mindset is to prepare for a WW2 level duration of no supplies.

In other words have a 3-5 year supply of what I use on hand and also have a stock of supplies for reloading. Once I had that base established, anytime I would dip into it, I'd try to replace it. When Covid hit, I really didn't have to buy anything for 4 years and only picked up various little bits or bobs here and there. Things were so cheap during the first Trump term I probably bought too much.

There is a little upfront cost of course to establish that, but once you do it's just your regular costs like always and in fact it is better because you have enough supply you can sit on the sidelines and poach any good bulk deals or sales that come along. I haven't checked since Christmas but last year here 9mm dropped below $10 a box for regular target ammo, so even though I don't need any, I bought some anyways.

yes , my mindset has changed to stocking up . as someone else pointed out , if you stock up now to last a few years you'll save money as in a couple years time those items will be more expensive . i stocked up on projectiles and 22lr ammo for my rifles i use for comps . i'm already stocked up on 223/308 for my hunting needs , but their not too hard to get during tough times anyway

[Damo300]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

your absolutely right about prices going up since covid and staying up , and everything else you covered in your post . the people of this nation are being price gouged on everything . it's disgusting

People of this nation have always been price gouged on most things, Its nothing new, small isolated market.

as pointed out by others, it's definitely gotten worse since covid, and much more blatant . it's the sort of thing that needs to be investigated

Who would do the investigating?

I have no faith in anyone investigating massive fraud.
They somehow always seems to side with the fraudsters, or feel they need to let them go this time.

Money is the devils playing cards.
Unfortunately, there are far to many greedy people still around.

[ColdStart]

Prior to covid we could have multiple desert wars running for years without it changing prices much, or even where fuel prices went up, it didnt suddenly mean the cost of everything in life changed. We also had GFC's, entire stock market crashes, trade wars in the western world and again, the effect was usually relating to share prices and super. Every day life items did not budge price wise, often big business took the hit.

Since Covid, it seems anything international now, the major players take advantage and everything from supermarket items, to raw materials, to goods and services goes insane!. The event is one thing, the deliberate gouging is another, and the other glaringly bizarre issue is the prices never retract again. Covid, Ukraine war, trade war with China, now this- money flows continually out of the Middle Class for everything these days. We take all the hit, we pay twice as much at the supermarket and the billionaires keep doubling their money.

your absolutely right about prices going up since covid and staying up , and everything else you covered in your post . the people of this nation are being price gouged on everything . it's disgusting

People of this nation have always been price gouged on most things, Its nothing new, small isolated market.

as pointed out by others, it's definitely gotten worse since covid, and much more blatant . it's the sort of thing that needs to be investigated

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

[bigrich]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

[bigrich]

Who would do the investigating?

I have no faith in anyone investigating massive fraud.
They somehow always seems to side with the fraudsters, or feel they need to let them go this time.

Money is the devils playing cards.
Unfortunately, there are far to many greedy people still around.

good question , the corruption goes deep and it would take some considerable clout to expose this . ACCC doesn't have the teeth , and a royal commission would be resisted by pollies as a lot of their major political donations probably come from the same big business that is expoliting average australians . cheers

[tuknal]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

if your loading 223 try the hornady bulk packs from clevers a few roo shooters out here use them
55gr spbt $175/1000 so far ive been through 5000 and i recon there better than super roos

[bigrich]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

if your loading 223 try the hornady bulk packs from clevers a few roo shooters out here use them
55gr spbt $175/1000 so far ive been through 5000 and i recon there better than super roos

55gn vmaxs and a good stiff load of 2206h work great for me . the terminal ballisics of the vmax is awesome, bulk packs definitely save $

[Billo]

Man.... for those without the cognitive function to understand how an incredibly successful businessman, Trump, got this far and what it was all for, well,
You have to look at this Topher video.

As well as exposing the absolutely PATHETIC, university activist cowards running the govts in this country and Europe/Britain in so far as resources and worldwide stocks of fuel, gas and oil (which despite the micro-penis Bowen's assertions) run the world and it's modern manufacturing and life in general, this man has gone a long way to making the world WAY more stable.
I haven't the ability to properly explain how this bloke works, but this vid from Topher does.

If you are a TDS sufferer and cannot handle anything other than your own bubble, don't bother watching it. And if you don't get it, don't shoot the messenger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jqFqsc6U4&t=299s

You are the only Moron on the planet who is Praising this GRIFTER, youre value system is so screwed, I'm starting to thing you might even have some sort of undiagnosed medical condition

[mickb]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

Yeah im not sure what bubble that bloke is living in. Supermarket, hardware, auto, sports , hobbies, have gone through the roof since covid.

There were no 'wartime price controls' for all the middle eastern wars from 1991 onwards. They didnt need them. And obviously no controls for the Ukraine/Russia situation since all we heard on the news every night around 2023/2024 was how that war was affecting prices. Everything from grain to our transport costs.

[ColdStart]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

You're cherry picking one aspect to justify that everything ammo related is more expensive, As a whole ammo has gotten cheaper over the last 50 years relative to income. That doesn't mean it applies to all ammo components as I said as a "whole" and this applies to prices as a whole in general, somethings have increased a lot in price while other things haven't.

That is what Inflation (CPI) measures, the average increase in prices across a broad range of goods and services over time and over the last 25 years wages have risen faster than consumer prices overall.

Things are more affordable today relative to wages than they were in the past. That gap did narrowed after Covid, but its still more affordable today than the past.

All you are feeling is that gap narrowing, but you are still better off today.

[mickb]

Cold start I notice since you got here about 90% of your posts are just the politics forums. And you like taking people to task an awful lot for a new guy. Are you one of our former members returned.....

[ColdStart]

The forum is not exactly very active, and most of the posts seems to be politics or off topic, plus a fair bit of rambling nonsense that I do not even bother reading.

In any case, my last three topics were not mainly political. Only one was about politics, and even that was pretty banal.

If that is your idea of a welcome, I am not sure you need to worry about new members sticking around.

[mickb]

It wasnt a welcome, it was calling you out for $hitposting, make no mistake. Trolling will kill whats left of the forum faster than anything else. By all means continue if its your purpose, or start a thread with something gun related.

[bigrich]

Nah, history doesn’t back that up. Governments were using wartime price controls long before Covid because price exploitation was already a problem. It’s not new, and it’s not clearly worse. A lot of people just have goldfish memories and repeat whatever narrative they’ve been fed instead of looking at the facts.

But sticking to ammo, .22 ammo was roughly twice as expensive relative to wages in 1975 as it is now. So no, prices have not gotten worse in relative terms. They’ve actually come down against income on that comparison. In fact its been getting cheaper and cheaper over the last 50 years as a whole.

projectiles are hideously expensive compared to 5 years ago , i'm sorry but i can't agree on this point . compared to 1975 , yeah probably . but in the last 5 years , and especially since covid, stuff has been going up at the slightest provocation and staying up . nosler projectiles in particular are not worth it , and i stick to speer and hornady mostly now . cheers

You're cherry picking one aspect to justify that everything ammo related is more expensive, As a whole ammo has gotten cheaper over the last 50 years relative to income. That doesn't mean it applies to all ammo components as I said as a "whole" and this applies to prices as a whole in general, somethings have increased a lot in price while other things haven't.

That is what Inflation (CPI) measures, the average increase in prices across a broad range of goods and services over time and over the last 25 years wages have risen faster than consumer prices overall.

Things are more affordable today relative to wages than they were in the past. That gap did narrowed after Covid, but its still more affordable today than the past.

All you are feeling is that gap narrowing, but you are still better off today.

maybe ammo is cheaper in the context of 50 years mate , but pre covid , everything was cheaper. it's gone up and stayed up . war in ukraine reportedly has a lot to do with this , as does the cost of copper for projectile manufacturing has sky rocketed . within 5 years i've seen costs go up a lot for reloading , new brass and projectiles , there was also the primer shortage . prices of primers have not come back down since . big business is screwing people over and/or the cost of metals and chemicals has gone up due to demand inflating prices . factory ammo in 308/243/223 is still reasonably priced i think , especially locally made ADI products .
at the present i do not believe things are more affordable relative to wages since covid , a trip to my local IGA proves that , not to mention my local gun shop . and it's flowed onto trade services as well .

i got back into shooting about 12 years ago , and my wage has not kept track with price increases in costs since covid . it has gone up markedly in the time frame i'm referring to . the 50 years time frame your referring to is of little consequence to a lot of people i'm sorry to say . a valid point though . we're looking at this topic from different perspectives .

back to the topic question, i don't believe the iran conflict will affect ammo prices unless it turns into a ground war . ukraine sucked up a lot of resources cause of manufacturing for artillery and small arms . the arms manufacturing industry has largely corrected for this. i hope if these conflicts end there will be a glut of supplies and prices drop , maybe to a point i could use a 375 H&H for plinking

[bigrich]

Cold start I notice since you got here about 90% of your posts are just the politics forums. And you like taking people to task an awful lot for a new guy. Are you one of our former members returned.....

well, to play devils advocate , he's been polite and respectful from what i've seen , and i welcome that . if he takes people to task in a respectful manner , and can agree to disagree , that's fine by me too .
myself , i don't post pics in a few years cause it's a pain in the @ss . used to be able to do it through my iphone , but the forum rejects any pics i try to post . to a degree it limits my topics and contents on the forum. when it comes to electronic/computer tech i'm captain caveman
strip down and rebuild a rochester Qjet carby off a 308 , or do a 4 wheel disc brake conversion on a hot rod i'm your man

[mickb]

strip down and rebuild a rochester Qjet carby off a 308 , or do a 4 wheel disc brake conversion on a hot rod i'm your man

Your doing a lot better than me mate, if a car related issue cant be fixed with the application of a jack and spare tire, Im running low on options. I didnt even realize 308 had a carby, is that a Howa or remington,

[bigrich]

strip down and rebuild a rochester Qjet carby off a 308 , or do a 4 wheel disc brake conversion on a hot rod i'm your man

Your doing a lot better than me mate, if a car related issue cant be fixed with the application of a jack and spare tire, Im running low on options. I didnt even realize 308 had a carby, is that a Howa or remington,

good on ya mick
we've got our different talents and mine isn't with iphones or computers