





Bugman wrote:I have heard of "blending in" but that's ridiculous.

niteowl wrote:What is your problem ? If you hit a deer at a couple of thousand feet per sec with the blender surely it would be effective. Get with it mate. :clap:

Jorlcrin wrote:niteowl wrote:What is your problem ? If you hit a deer at a couple of thousand feet per sec with the blender surely it would be effective. Get with it mate.
Heh; Now I REALLY want to see the launcher to shoot a blender at 2000fps...
"Yes, Officer; I'd like to apply to have my license endorsed for 'Category PB - Culinary Ordnance'!"


bladeracer wrote:Speer 70gn SP is the heaviest bullet that works in the old .222 twist rates.


Jorlcrin wrote:bladeracer wrote:Speer 70gn SP is the heaviest bullet that works in the old .222 twist rates.
Bladeracer,
Is this from personal experience, and do you know what twist rate was that for?
I've found that .222rem were originally 1:14" twist, but then later rifles were sometimes 1:12" twist.
I would have thought that either of these would've been too slow for 70gn, but I'm happy to trial it, if there's a reasonable chance of success.
I have a thousand Speer 70gn on hand, so that might indeed be a handy projectile for the neighbour.
Annoyingly, I am yet to find any definite info on the factory twist rate in the Krico Model 601 (1st series).
Of the 6 reloading guides I have on hand, only one lists load data for projectiles above 60gn for .222rem(ADI 2014 guide).
I guess my first task will be to get the neighbour over here with rifle, so I can measure the twist rate.

Wapiti wrote:Something in my rear brain storage remembers an article in an old Guns Australia about that projectile, because it flew in the face to other recommendations I'd read.
I remember it because I had a 1-12" twist 223 and was trying to work out how to up the anti on performance with a tougher bullet.
Everyone is ape on speed and fancy tips, but they just made performance erratic on the animals we encounter so I was interested in that bullet.
Is it the length and shape of the 70gn, BR, rather than the weight?
Years ago, there was a Taipan-made 70gn .223" soft point which worked very well too. I still have some 50rd plastic ammo boxes loaded with this bullet, because it was so good compared to the plastic-tipped ones at the time.
It was used in a real battered old 788 Remington .222, I'm sure from memory that rifle had a 1-14 twist? I wish I still had that rifle, damn it.


Wapiti wrote:Yes thought so mate, thanks for that.
Those 70gn bullets worked in that 1-14" twist .222 (I think everything did in those budget Remington's, and the 700's after it.
Makes a mockery of the rear locking word-of-mouth rubbish that has gone on forever.
We used them even in a AAA SAR (anyone remember those? The Tasmanian made copies of the AR180?) that we lent to friends who came out prior to 1996. many pigs fell to that bullet, and the Taipan 70gn soft points, without a fuss. The rifle had a 2-8x32 Jap Tasco compact on it, from memory.
They transformed the 222/223 into a medium pig dropper, was smarter option than the plastic tipped micro-hand grenades.
So often, despite the marketing and the self-appraisals, things have gone backwards for numbers and fashion.


bladeracer wrote:Speer designed them for 14"-twist .22-250 for deer hunting. Bullet length determines stability, not weight. The flat-base soft-point should be short enough to stabilise in 14"-twist.Jorlcrin wrote:bladeracer wrote:Speer 70gn SP is the heaviest bullet that works in the old .222 twist rates.
Bladeracer,
Is this from personal experience, and do you know what twist rate was that for?
I've found that .222rem were originally 1:14" twist, but then later rifles were sometimes 1:12" twist.
I would have thought that either of these would've been too slow for 70gn, but I'm happy to trial it, if there's a reasonable chance of success.
I have a thousand Speer 70gn on hand, so that might indeed be a handy projectile for the neighbour.
Annoyingly, I am yet to find any definite info on the factory twist rate in the Krico Model 601 (1st series).
Of the 6 reloading guides I have on hand, only one lists load data for projectiles above 60gn for .222rem(ADI 2014 guide).
I guess my first task will be to get the neighbour over here with rifle, so I can measure the twist rate.
