Gun Control Australia Wants the "Hand Cannon" Banned Now !

[MeccaOz]

A gun called the 'hand cannon' capable of firing five shots in less than one second is still LEGALLY for sale in Australia ... and the anti-gun lobby wants it banned now

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[MeccaOz]

'They are so lightweight and easy to conceal and easy to use in a moving car' says Samantha Lee of semi-automatic handguns, which the anti-gun lobby want banned in Australia

Hmmm I guess she has done alot of drive by's with knowledge like that lol

[Bennybigbores]

Thats the only way to truely test a gun isn't it, just did a drive by on some bunnies with the 17hmr, rival gang of wascals moving in on my (turf!), hand cannon would have scared them more though!

[Baldrick314]

.50 desert eagles are "readily available" what a crock

Early in the article it says "at least 1800 firearms are reported stolen annually" and then further down it says "up to 1800 are reported stolen annually" so which is it, cos there's a huge difference there.

I'm surprised these people get taken as seriously as they do when they can't get even the basic parts of their arguments sorted. Makes me angry reading the absolute crap they drivel on to scare the uneducated public

[MeccaOz]

.50 desert eagles are "readily available" what a crock

Early in the article it says "at least 1800 firearms are reported stolen annually" and then further down it says "up to 1800 are reported stolen annually" so which is it, cos there's a huge difference there.

I'm surprised these people get taken as seriously as they do when they can't get even the basic parts of their arguments sorted. Makes me angry reading the absolute crap they drivel on to scare the uneducated public

Im surprised they are taken seriously at all, they consist of two people, whereas the SSAA has 1000's of members

[Baldrick314]

SSAA isn't very vocal though. They defend against this kind of stuff but they don't do a lot of proactive campaigning to change people's minds about shooters

[Releb]

Early in the article it says "at least 1800 firearms are reported stolen annually" and then further down it says "up to 1800 are reported stolen annually" so which is it, cos there's a huge difference there.

Throw a dart at a board, times the number by 10 ...number of firearms are stolen...



Pull more numbers out of your ass while you're there.

[bluerob]

SSAA isn't very vocal though. They defend against this kind of stuff but they don't do a lot of proactive campaigning to change people's minds about shooters

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[cavok]

"A gun called the 'hand cannon' capable of firing five shots in less than one second is still LEGALLY for sale in Australia ... and the anti-gun lobby wants it banned now

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3GYSTlld1"

So the anti gun lobby wants to ban "hand Cannon" 5 shoots in under a second, I shoot a great deal and I cannot shoot a semi 5 times in a second, I struggle at more than 10 metres to fire 3 shoots accurately. Ms Lee needs to stop watching experts in their field demonstrate shooting abilities and assume that this can be duplicated by a person with no sh0oting experience, or very little "illegal gun owners of handguns would not have a great deal".
A more powerful gun is the .500 revolver.
However most drive by shooting are by non registered gun owners, crooks, who's weapon of choice is a AK47 or similar. They are not actually trying to kill anyone in their drive by shootings, THEY are making a point.

[agentzero]

"A gun called the 'hand cannon' capable of firing five shots in less than one second is still LEGALLY for sale in Australia ... and the anti-gun lobby wants it banned now

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z3GYSTlld1"

So the anti gun lobby wants to ban "hand Cannon" 5 shoots in under a second, I shoot a great deal and I cannot shoot a semi 5 times in a second, I struggle at more than 10 metres to fire 3 shoots accurately.

But I saw them do it in a movie! It must be possible!

[cavok]

OK, I apologise, if you saw it at the movies it must be possible and factual, all things we see at the movies were always real and will always be.

The Greens will contact you to confirm this.

I never knew that there where so many events that took place on TV that I could never understand, now I see the light.

[MeccaOz]

SSAA isn't very vocal though. They defend against this kind of stuff but they don't do a lot of proactive campaigning to change people's minds about shooters

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[Baldrick314]

Update: Jerry Miculek has asked for his video to be removed from this article. He wasn't asked for permission for it's use and after he told them to remove it he was offered royalties which he refused

Link to his facebook which has a post about it: https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=267788486618080

[Redwood]

SSAA isn't very vocal though. They defend against this kind of stuff but they don't do a lot of proactive campaigning to change people's minds about shooters

Excellent point.

Being reactive will never get us anywhere, it can only slow our decline.

We've gotta get things changing in our favour, not just argue against the bad changes.

[Atter]

5 shots in under a second

I think they were watching some kid play Time Crisis at the arcade and got confused.

[RoginaJack]

Ms Lee -
She also warned authorities that 'they're the same type of firearm used in the Port Arthur massacre, except they are smaller, which in some ways makes them even more dangerous because they are easier to conceal'.

So what Ms Lee is actually saying is that the weapons are nothing alike and she has no idea what she is talking about!.

There has been various cases across Australia where firearms dealers have been charged with moving handguns into the black-market. So what we need to do is ban them, the same way that we banned semi-automatic long-arms,' Ms Lee continued.

OK, Ms Lee -Several cases, in what state and who were the firearm dealers charged?

Some time back a large consignment of illegal pistols were smuggled in via Australia Post and went undetected by customs. This is the area that the senate inquiry should be concentrating on - Australia's' open borders!

[Korkt]

So drivers license for kids to have matchbox cars now?

They're the same, except they are smaller.

[jordy]

She also warned authorities that 'they're the same type of firearm used in the Port Arthur massacre, except they are smaller, which in some ways makes them even more dangerous because they are easier to conceal'.

Same, same. But different.

[Bark]

OK, Ms Lee -Several cases, in what state and who were the firearm dealers charged?

Bingo.

I'm sure we're all over politicians being able to say whatever the f*** they want without having to back it up, and without consequence when it's clearly BS.

Needs to be changed the they need to state there sources every time they put forward information and arguments based on it. (or lack of it as it stands).

[RoginaJack]

One semi-automatic handgun readily available is the Desert Eagle .50 calibre, which is referred to in some quarters as a 'hand cannon' and is capable of five shots in less than one second and according to one enthusiast 'can punch holes in an engine block'.
'They are so lightweight and easy to conceal and easy to use in a moving car,' Ms Lee added.

Desert Eagle .50 cal. handgun 'readily available".. What a load of rubbish!

"and is capable of five shots in less than one second" ( in the hands of a very experienced shooter, maybe but certainly not by the "drive by mob").
And of course Ms Lee is speaking from practical experience here! I would suggest that Ms Lee has never laid eyes on a Desert Eagle, let alone handled or fired one!

How can anyone come out with such inaccurate statements; aren't these people on oath or required to back up their wild statements with hard facts or can any ratbag stand up in front of a Senate inquiry and spruke absolute garbage? It just degrades the inquiry and makes the Senate look like a joke

I shudder to think what Ms Lee would make of a 35mm Canon SLR 'cause with a flip of a switch, one can go from single shot to bust mode of 12 shots or 14 shots per second in Super High Speed mode and the buffer system is so designed to handle this punishment . Also, a 2X converter can be fitted to double the range. I expect that she will want the "live face detection" system disabled 'cause it would be no good for shooting Zombies! Oh dear...

[lole]

I shudder to think what Ms Lee would make of a 35mm Canon SLR 'cause with a flip of a switch, one can go from single shot to bust mode of 12 shots or 14 shots per second in Super High Speed mode and the buffer system is so designed to handle this punishment . Also, a 2X converter can be fitted to double the range. I expect that she will want the "live face detection" system disabled 'cause it would be no good for shooting Zombies! Oh dear...

Not likely, but I so hope she is reading this right now and it's confusing the s**t out of her

[cavok]

The Desert Eagle in smaller calibres is available in Australia, just visit usedguns.com however this pistol is not really user friendly, holds to few rounds to be practical. However as was mentioned in the submissions to the Senate enquiry, if the "drive by mob" wanted any particular firearm most come from our far north an are smuggled into Australia through customs. Love the part about the 35ml cannon that is a classic, 2* tele converter, smile as you shoot with a close up.
Most of what the anti gunners like Ms lee speak about are there only to get traction from stupid newspapers and media units. These idiots feed of stupid remarks and for a few hours they have more media headlines, they never question stupidity or reality, they just pedal stories with impunity.

[RoginaJack]

The Desert Eagle in smaller calibres is available in Australia...."

NO, we're not talking about "smaller calibers" ; the reference was Desert Eagle .50 cal. and I contend that these are not readily available or are the weapon of choice as Ms Lee states.

The part that gets my goat up is these ridicules statements are made and reported by the media and people actually believe them, 'cause it's printed in the press or T.V. so it must be right. Good grief!

[cavok]

Ok, PLEASE visit usedgums.com there is A .50cal Desert Eagle there for sale, any takers. Also .44, .357 and the baby eagle in 9mm. Anything else. I actually did not want to say what I just wrote, I assumed we as shooters knew it was there, no need to scream it from the rooftops.

[Timb0]

I shot a .50 cal Desert Eagle once while on a trip to Vegas. I thought I was going to punch two holes in my forehead from the rear sights striking at me like a wild serpent.

The bloke who could crack off 5 shots in a second with one of those would be a weapon himself.

[cavok]

I shot .50 Desert Eagle in 1996 in Adelaide when someone else used his at a match, its not that hard a recoil. I also some years ago shot a S&W 500 with a 6"' barrel, 1 shot was enough for me, the flames came out 12" from the muzzle, it was owned by a gun dealer. For me I will settle for .38 super and 9mm.

[Baldrick314]

Ok, PLEASE visit usedgums.com there is A .50cal Desert Eagle there for sale, any takers. Also .44, .357 and the baby eagle in 9mm. Anything else. I actually did not want to say what I just wrote, I assumed we as shooters knew it was there, no need to scream it from the rooftops.

Just because there is one 50 for sale on usedguns doesn't mean they're readily available. Also you would still need a high cal permit to buy one, that on top of the already strict/ time consuming licensing process for pistols makes them hard to obtain legally

[Timb0]

I shot .50 Desert Eagle in 1996 in Adelaide when someone else used his at a match, its not that hard a recoil. I also some years ago shot a S&W 500 with a 6"' barrel, 1 shot was enough for me, the flames came out 12" from the muzzle, it was owned by a gun dealer. For me I will settle for .38 super and 9mm.

Maybe not, but I like to tell it that way.

For what it's worth coming from someone who has had about 8 months combined experience shooting .22 pistols 8 years ago, it was a handful and if I could I don't think I would buy one. I can't see what it's good for especially gangster style drive by shootings.

As for the greens, maybe they should start to worry about more important green issues. Have they forgotten about their hand gun calibre restrictions already ?

[Warrigul]

Just because there is one 50 for sale on usedguns doesn't mean they're readily available. Also you would still need a high cal permit to buy one, that on top of the already strict/ time consuming licensing process for pistols makes them hard to obtain legally

I have enough issues with my .45ACP's(it is not a REAL 1911 unless it is a 45) and .45LC's each year. It is impossible to possess .50 cal or over in TAS unless you are a Gunsmith and then only for the purpose of test and evaluate or a collector but you have to permanently disable it.

Ms LEE referred to a 50 CAL DESERT EAGLE which is NOT readily available unless you get a high calibre exemption- i.e. silhouette. Baldrick and RJ are correct.

[cavok]

I must be on some other planet, a person from south of Melbourne does not believe Ms Lee's assertions that the .50 DE is readily available, far be it for me to argue with such a bold statement. He is of the opinion that a high calibre permit is required. WTF, drive by shooters do not apply for permits, they source their pistol, but mostly automatic rifles, AK47 from elsewhere. Anyway lucky there are no .50 DE anywhere, mostly not in containers from some far flung corner of the globe. That would make them illegal imports and they could be prosecuted for such items. I am also aware that in some far flung state south of Melbourne they are having issues in owning .45 calibre. Guess we all know where they should migrate to.