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Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by KWhorenet » 10 Apr 2015, 7:25 pm

Two Fallow Does caught a mysterious Swiss Cheese style illness recently on my property. Found them both with odd neat holes in their shoulder/rib area and heavy bleeding with a crunchy sound from inside the shoulder area.

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Still looking for my main breeding Buck who has vanished, or possibly come down with the same 'illness'. He may have just got too tired carrying his 36+ point on his very white large palms and hid in a wombat hole.

The missing boy coincidently looks allot like this one. Might just be his long lost brother

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Might be time to give up the idea of farming them and cull the lot. Not worth the stress and unwanted attention they bring anyway.
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by 1290 » 10 Apr 2015, 9:46 pm

I dont normally say this to a bloke... but Niiiice rack :D

looks serious, maybe parasite / infection or something causing the upper layer of the skin to separate .... I would contact the DSLEIPxyz... sorry, dont know what their current name is.. State Gov, could be quarantine worthy??
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Post by KWhorenet » 10 Apr 2015, 9:54 pm

The hole through one side and out the other was my concern with a pool of blood underneath, also the crunchy feeling/sound when I lifted a leg to role her over.

My missing buck looked just like that photo. Someone pretty randomly posted the pics on another forum (source and location unknown apparently).
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Post by bigfellascott » 10 Apr 2015, 10:32 pm

Yeah I think that one was posted on FaceAche from memory but has been removed apparently - there was a lot of conjecture as to whether it was shot in the wild or farmed, I wonder if it was your's mate, any pics of your's?
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by tom604 » 10 Apr 2015, 10:48 pm

if i shot a buck like that i wouldn't care where it came from :thumbsup: good going on the does :thumbsup:
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by KWhorenet » 10 Apr 2015, 10:53 pm

looking through all my phone and pc pics but I have a sinking feeling I don't have any current ones. I had to clear space on my pathetic phone's memory :thumbsdown:

ive PM'd the guy who posted it but he hasn't been on there since then. he said he just received it but wouldn't elaborate on where he had it sent from...

did you say it was on fartbook scott? which group?
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Post by KWhorenet » 10 Apr 2015, 10:55 pm

tom604 wrote:if i shot a buck like that i wouldn't care where it came from :thumbsup: good going on the does :thumbsup:


Good going?
Tom, I found the dead does on my hobby deer farm like this. it happens every rut period.
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Post by sbd3927 » 10 Apr 2015, 11:39 pm

KWhorenet wrote:
tom604 wrote:if i shot a buck like that i wouldn't care where it came from :thumbsup: good going on the does :thumbsup:


Good going?
Tom, I found the dead does on my hobby deer farm like this. it happens every rut period.


I too was wondering if it was a tongue in cheek account of hunting you'd done, or victim of poaching. So waited till the thread filled out a little.

How about game camera's, you could use them elsewhere out of season, handy to put near a toolshed too, as well as where they'd catch the poachers vehicle info.
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by bigfellascott » 11 Apr 2015, 7:02 am

Have a look on AHN there was a post there on the deer, it mentioned the faceAche page there from memory.
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by tom604 » 11 Apr 2015, 8:31 am

KWhorenet wrote:
tom604 wrote:if i shot a buck like that i wouldn't care where it came from :thumbsup: good going on the does :thumbsup:


Good going?
Tom, I found the dead does on my hobby deer farm like this. it happens every rut period.


sorry ,,i thought it was a send up of a hunt report :oops: i hope you can catch the poachers , i hope you find your buck alive and if it is him in the pic that the poaching scum get the book thrown at them :evil: :thumbsdown:
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by pucker » 13 Apr 2015, 11:56 am

Couldn't just be a physical injury from a recent fight or a fall?
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Post by KWhorenet » 13 Apr 2015, 12:17 pm

pucker wrote:Couldn't just be a physical injury from a recent fight or a fall?


Maybe if the two dead does had a gun fight ?
Or the coincidently missing 30+ point buck shot them and bugged out perhaps?

All jokes aside, no;
My does don't fight and generally don't suffer domestic violence during mating. The ground is flat grassy paddocks so no reason for two does to fall and die with holes in them either.

Just spent a night out due to spot lighters too close for comfort, likely after Hog and Fallow again, like most nights out here. Non private property deer habitat bordering my place. Recipe for a s**t fight.
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Post by trekin » 13 Apr 2015, 1:15 pm

Maybe you need to get on the Animal Liberation Worldwide's facebook page and procure the services of this bloke :roll:

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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by KWhorenet » 13 Apr 2015, 1:55 pm

Yeah a few Euro Mounts along my fence line should do the trick. :lol: :sarcasm: for any offended law abiding deer errrm 'huntards'
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Post by Monty » 13 Apr 2015, 3:12 pm

KWhorenet wrote:Non private property deer habitat bordering my place. Recipe for a s**t fight.


How long is the section bordering on crown land?

The cost is probably prohibitive but any possibility of putting a 'human' fence along the length of it?

Some will skirt it of course but at least you can know the bastards from the potentially innocent mistakes if someone wanders across during stalking hours.

Do you get any innocent mistakes or do they only come at night?
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by KWhorenet » 13 Apr 2015, 7:18 pm

Monty wrote:
KWhorenet wrote:Non private property deer habitat bordering my place. Recipe for a s**t fight.


How long is the section bordering on crown land?
The cost is probably prohibitive but any possibility of putting a 'human' fence along the length of it?
Some will skirt it of course but at least you can know the bastards from the potentially innocent mistakes if someone wanders across during stalking hours.
Do you get any innocent mistakes or do they only come at night?



2km. The entire property is 190cm deer wire fenced. They pull the staples out of the posts to loosen it and slide under or climb over at the side gates or shoot and leave from the road. No mistakes ever.

Got some good intel last night. Will have a wall covered with photos, notes, maps and drawing pins soon :lol:
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by Turtleburp » 13 Apr 2015, 10:31 pm

You are a lot more calm than I'd be
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Post by David Brown » 13 Apr 2015, 10:53 pm

Remember name and shame works well.
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Post by sbd3927 » 13 Apr 2015, 11:29 pm

Any way of creating a climber friendly spot on the fence? The side gates sound good, for the aforementioned game camera's. I doubt they walk home either, so if it's possible to position a cam for both the climbing and the car, could get them locked up right away.
Alternatively they could explain their presence to the police while complaining about their vandalised car. Some people have no respect for the property of others... :sarcasm:
I might face something similar in future, albeit with orchard thieves, but at least I live on the property. I sometimes wonder what the best course of action would be, and the disabled car with incriminating evidence scenario sounds good.
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by Mr.x » 14 Apr 2015, 7:59 am

Make the fence electric
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Post by KWhorenet » 14 Apr 2015, 9:06 am

Mr.x wrote:Make the fence electric


240v electric has crossed my mind more than once :?

The one guy who proclaimed to know the story has gone quiet on it now. The photo was removed from Fartbook but that poster is known haha.
Go figure?

Wading through photos at present for the buck in late March. I know others have taken photos too, so tracking some down.

Fairly unique odd rack so should be a bit like a finger print.

As far as taking it calmly I've done the 'lose my s**t' thing. In the past I've given chase all prepped to 'maim and shame'.
Don't get me wrong, it'd feel better than the first piss in the morning...
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Post by 1290 » 14 Apr 2015, 9:37 am

might be time to dump the deer as a business venture, and replace them with something less attractive to the poachers, say Alpacas :unknown: I hear the meat is 'like lamb, but sweeter', thinking of putting them on myself (for meat, not for enviro multi-colour biodynamic sustainable clothing production).
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by KWhorenet » 14 Apr 2015, 10:21 am

1290 wrote:might be time to dump the deer as a business venture, and replace them with something less attractive to the poachers, say Alpacas :unknown: I hear the meat is 'like lamb, but sweeter', thinking of putting them on myself (for meat, not for enviro multi-colour biodynamic sustainable clothing production).


That decision is made.

I removed 6 yesterday. Approx 70 more to go. Strangely I get the cold shoulder now when they see me. No more pears and apples ? :unknown:
Neighbours cool room and bandsaw will get a workout over the coming weeks but most will be pushed up in a burn pile.

Back to buying batches of week old solid coloured calves to sell at around 6-7 months.
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Post by Prettybird » 14 Apr 2015, 10:51 am

KWhorenet wrote:Neighbours cool room and bandsaw will get a workout over the coming weeks but most will be pushed up in a burn pile.


You mean they're to just be killed/destroyed?

There's nothing more productive you can do with them? :|
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Post by tom604 » 16 Apr 2015, 2:52 pm

I removed 6 yesterday. Approx 70 more to go. Strangely I get the cold shoulder now when they see me. No more pears and apples ? :unknown:
Neighbours cool room and bandsaw will get a workout over the coming weeks but most will be pushed up in a burn pile.

try and sell them? farmers market? canned hunt type of thing, shoot your own meat? might as well make some money of them and if not how about "give away to a good home" it will be upsetting to you to have to just shoot and burn, :thumbsdown:
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Re: Fallow 'Swiss Cheese' like illness

Post by Usurper » 16 Apr 2015, 3:35 pm

Looks like a case of bulletitis
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Post by KWhorenet » 16 Apr 2015, 6:14 pm

While at the vet today had a chance meeting with a local GMA/DEPI officer who works the local Hog Deer check in station. Needless to say we had a lengthy chat and exchanged some notes. I'm almost inspired enough to look into a career change even as a volunteer to begin with.

The spotlighting of Hog Deer around here is wide spread as soon as they're in hard antler. Some lazy pricks are trying to pass off deer shot out of season and from unauthorised areas :roll:

All I can pass on is from what I learnt today there will be interesting times ahead for those who claim a false time and location of their kill. GMA are getting very serious ;)

Technology and science :ugeek: yeh!! :silent:

As far as my own issues are concerned the deer are going and I'm getting over it. Moving into either beef cattle and or angora goats since I have the fencing and infrastructure already.

I will continue to quietly pursue a couple of pricks of interest with the help of a couple of forthright reliable witnesses I would never have expected to come forward :thumbsup: I wont lose sleep over it but I just may get the last laugh yet...
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Post by David Brown » 16 Apr 2015, 11:12 pm

Go get em.

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Post by brett1868 » 16 Apr 2015, 11:43 pm

Return fire would do the trick I suspect but you'd probably get locked up while the poachers feast on venison.
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Post by AusC » 17 Apr 2015, 10:51 am

Africa style.
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