Concealed Carry in Australia

[RealNick]

During the 2013 year - 137 males versus 79 females were the victims of homicide..... so statistically its likely that during the time that 35 females were killed; around about 60 males were also killed..... are you saying that the males are less significant because they're not women??? or the deaths of females are more significant because at the moment the media is only concerned with women victims??

What we are seeing in the media makes me sick, just like the way a death involving a firearm is so much more 'newsworthy' than a death as a result of a motor vehicle incident.....

The death of any person at the hands of another is abhorrent, regardless of sex, but blokes are also the victims of homicide, and of domestic violence, wouldnt think so if you received all your info from the media.

It's never said directly but they love to put a men vs women slant on these things.

It's almost like victims vs perpetrators, not people vs violence. Or so they spin it.

[1290]

I wonder how Ms Illingworth feels about her personal security?

http://www.news.com.au/national/norther ... 7353781478

Just imagine a society where a business owner had the explicit right to defend themselves ..... period.... whether that involved a handgun, a shotgun or whatever under the counter... I seriously doubt the person would destroy the shopfront "for a shard of glass"..... FFS where have we arrived???? disarmed and vulnerable, we call the 000 when there's danger because we are defenceless..... ripe for the picking. Then the 'law' arrives after-the-fact

[bigfellascott]

I wonder how Ms Illingworth feels about her personal security?

http://www.news.com.au/national/norther ... 7353781478

Just imagine a society where a business owner had the explicit right to defend themselves ..... period.... whether that involved a handgun, a shotgun or whatever under the counter... I seriously doubt the person would destroy the shopfront "for a shard of glass"..... FFS where have we arrived???? disarmed and vulnerable, we call the 000 when there's danger because we are defenceless..... ripe for the picking. Then the 'law' arrives after-the-fact

Hey at least the cops get to take a nice glossy 10x8" pic of ya dead body!

[Title_II]

In Cop School they spend two days practicing drawing chalk lines and about a half hour right before graduation on saving lives. If time permits. Because the nature of the job is that one will come up more often than the other

[bigfellascott]

In Cop School they spend two days practicing drawing chalk lines and about a half hour right before graduation on saving lives. If time permits. Because the nature of the job is that one will come up more often than the other

Sounds about right, sad as that is it's the reality of the situation.

[Title_II]

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[bluerob]

The sooner we are allowed to, the sooner people will think twice about attacking another person, holding sieges, etc etc.

[1290]

In many parts of the world the citizens are apparently trustworthy enough to possess firearms in the house for defence of the home (the family)... not us Aussies....we are even regulated to store the arms and ammo in such a way that its unlikely we'd be able to access them in a time of need...

I think now, more then ever, considering not only the level of crime, particularly drug related, as well as the 'terror' threat (just today US Govt issued a warning for their citizens HERE!!... in Australia!)....we, as bona fide, law abiding members of society, should definitely be allowed not only home defence, but out of the home. Yeah, crazy thought... but WHO is there to defend us???

[bluerob]

In many parts of the world the citizens are apparently trustworthy enough to possess firearms in the house for defence of the home (the family)... not us Aussies....we are even regulated to store the arms and ammo in such a way that its unlikely we'd be able to access them in a time of need...

I think now, more then ever, considering not only the level of crime, particularly drug related, as well as the 'terror' threat (just today US Govt issued a warning for their citizens HERE!!... in Australia!)....we, as bona fide, law abiding members of society, should definitely be allowed not only home defence, but out of the home. Yeah, crazy thought... but WHO is there to defend us???

Nothing you say is crazy.

Times are changing a lot quicker than a TRU or a relevant unit can respond to where I live. Just getting GD's to respond to idiots letting off fireworks in a dry National Park is a nightmare.

Someone once said "I'd sooner be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

I know that I'd feel a hell of a lot safer knowing that their might be trained civilians carrying a concealed handgun when I'm in the city for appointments, more so regular competition shooters who have been trained appropriately opposed to GD's Police who get to shoot once per year. I've seen Police drop their Glock after the 1st shot! Just not familiar with recoil and noise.

If I shot my handguns once per year, I'd be damn lucky to hit a X at 25 yards.

[1290]

In many parts of the world the citizens are apparently trustworthy enough to possess firearms in the house for defence of the home (the family)... not us Aussies....we are even regulated to store the arms and ammo in such a way that its unlikely we'd be able to access them in a time of need...

I think now, more then ever, considering not only the level of crime, particularly drug related, as well as the 'terror' threat (just today US Govt issued a warning for their citizens HERE!!... in Australia!)....we, as bona fide, law abiding members of society, should definitely be allowed not only home defence, but out of the home. Yeah, crazy thought... but WHO is there to defend us???

Nothing you say is crazy.

Times are changing a lot quicker than a TRU or a relevant unit can respond to where I live. Just getting GD's to respond to idiots letting off fireworks in a dry National Park is a nightmare.

Someone once said "I'd sooner be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

I know that I'd feel a hell of a lot safer knowing that their might be trained civilians carrying a concealed handgun when I'm in the city for appointments, more so regular competition shooters who have been trained appropriately opposed to GD's Police who get to shoot once per year. I've seen Police drop their Glock after the 1st shot! Just not familiar with recoil and noise.

If I shot my handguns once per year, I'd be damn lucky to hit a X at 25 yards.

Much of what you say rings so true....

many people have repeated the old "judged by 12, carried by 6 ..." trouble is our rights to choose to be judged by 12, have been usurped long ago....

Police dropping their sidearms.....in Vic we had the SOG aka 'special operation group'.... since one of their number famously shot themselves in the FOOT... yes literally in the foot... they are more appropriately referred to as the very special operations group..... if only they didnt get around town toting MP5san M4s...it would be funny...

[David Brown]

If I shot my handguns once per year, I'd be damn lucky to hit a X at 25 yards.

I don't think you realise how profound those words were when you wrote them.

If you only shot it once a year……THEY would take them away from you. 4 matches a year to keep! Not for them. They obviously train far better.

The more I think this through the more I think we need to carefully, quietly, patiently with lots of respect and data backed facts start mounting a change to these silly laws.

[1290]

ha ha..... I say that this here is the only nation in this wide world, where we must compete with our sporting equipment a set minimum number of time every year, else the armed wing of our law enforcement will (at first) knock on our doors, then if needs be break it down to confiscate our sporting equipment (handguns).. yup....

[bluerob]

If I shot my handguns once per year, I'd be damn lucky to hit a X at 25 yards.

I don't think you realise how profound those words were when you wrote them.

If you only shot it once a year……THEY would take them away from you. 4 matches a year to keep! Not for them. They obviously train far better.

The more I think this through the more I think we need to carefully, quietly, patiently with lots of respect and data backed facts start mounting a change to these silly laws.

Your last paragraph makes a lot of sense.

Let's hope that those who represent us, use the same theories.

The Greens will never stop.

Remember what they did on the steps of the NSW Parliament building?

[Lorgar]

and you're standing there with most of MY CAKE, making anime eyes and whining about being "reasonable"

[David Brown]

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[ChicagoTed]

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

[sally-bee]

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

They don't even recognise out of state licenses in some states here

[Wylie27]

A few years ago the American Ambassador to Australia was on the radio spruiking how Australia should become the 52nd State of the Union.

Now wouldn't that be a change in our laws. Lol

[trekin]

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

So, you're saying anyone can front up to their local firearms dealer, buy a handgun, stuff it in their pants and go on their merry way, no questions asked?

[David Brown]

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

So, you're saying anyone can front up to their local firearms dealer, buy a handgun, stuff it in their pants and go on their merry way, no questions asked?

Not quite……

There is an FBI check done which is highly automated and fast. Basically if you are not rejected by the FBI you are good to exercise your constitutional right to keep and bare arms.

Some states have managed top pass non constitutional laws and get away with it.

[Bourt]

Chicago has been doing a trial in CC for the last few years if I've read right.

I believe as long as you don't have a felony conviction you're in.

[adam]

While I believe that CC can certainly have a place in society - proof is always required to get past naysayers and we need to crawl before we can walk. If it's currently illegal for me to even have a baseball bat next to my bed for self defense of home invasion there is no way we're jumping from here to CC.

We need to change our laws so that victims don't turn into criminals for a split section reaction against an immediate threat to their life.

A good place to start with a small step could be permitting non lethal options such as pepper spray. I'd love to see people, especially females carrying this around. This could reduce a lot of the sexual predators targeting our women in society if it was permitted, and prove to the naysayers that people can be responsible with self defense utilities.

[trekin]

Not quite……

There is an FBI check done which is highly automated and fast. Basically if you are not rejected by the FBI you are good to exercise your constitutional right to keep and bare arms.

Some states have managed top pass non constitutional laws and get away with it.

Actually, already knew that, (see my post, back on the first page) just wanted Ted to say it, as comments such as his spoken even in jest, are just what the anti's over here latch on to, to support there "We don't want no American gun culture over here" arguments.

[trekin]

While I believe that CC can certainly have a place in society - proof is always required to get past naysayers and we need to crawl before we can walk. If it's currently illegal for me to even have a baseball bat next to my bed for self defense of home invasion there is no way we're jumping from here to CC.

We need to change our laws so that victims don't turn into criminals for a split section reaction against an immediate threat to their life.

A good place to start with a small step could be permitting non lethal options such as pepper spray. I'd love to see people, especially females carrying this around. This could reduce a lot of the sexual predators targeting our women in society if it was permitted, and prove to the naysayers that people can be responsible with self defense utilities.

Hear, hear, totally agree (see my post on the first page).

[David Brown]

Chicago has been doing a trial in CC for the last few years if I've read right.

I believe as long as you don't have a felony conviction you're in.

And just like Detroit, the violent crimes rates have dropped sharply. Bag guys don't like good guys to be armed. it cramps their style too much.

[ChicagoTed]

background checks only take a few minutes
private sales don't require one tho
even so, there is no crime to speak of anywhere within 500 miles of where i live
if you live outside the state you need a permit to CC(from your home state)
anyone can open carry tho

this will give you an idea of what we have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Wyoming

[Title_II]

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

So, you're saying anyone can front up to their local firearms dealer, buy a handgun, stuff it in their pants and go on their merry way, no questions asked?

to CC in my state you dont need a permit, hell they even let people from other states carry without a permit

So, you're saying anyone can front up to their local firearms dealer, buy a handgun, stuff it in their pants and go on their merry way, no questions asked?

Not quite……

There is an FBI check done which is highly automated and fast. Basically if you are not rejected by the FBI you are good to exercise your constitutional right to keep and bare arms.

Some states have managed top pass non constitutional laws and get away with it.

I'm going to try to give you a practical breakdown of how it works in the USA. Even trying to find the information online will not give you the practical bottom line information because many of the terms (such as "shall issue" vs. "may issue") are defined in sort of an arbitrary manner and don't always reflect reality.

- In 47 out of 50 states you can carry concealed as a normal person, with no justification needed. The three states where most people can't are New Jersey, Maryland, and Hawaii.

- There are two states that have some disparity in issue by where you live - New York and California.

- There are two states that have bizarre laws about carry permits or give you a hard time (but you'll still get the permit) - Rhode Island and Massachusetts.

- There are about 35 states where you can open carry a handgun with no permit at all.

- There are 6 states where you can conceal carry with no permit at all. Seems a new one is added about every 2 years at this point.

Regarding going to a gun dealer and buying a gun and stuffing it in your pants, and an FBI background check at gun dealers:

Remember than in more than 40 states people can buy and sell handguns, longarms, whatever to one another with no involvement of the government whatsoever. You don't have to go to a gun dealer to get a gun. So buying a gun and concealed carry are really two separate issues.

Chicago has been doing a trial in CC for the last few years if I've read right.

I believe as long as you don't have a felony conviction you're in.

There is no "trial," all of Illinois is Shall Issue (no reason needed) concealed carry, just like 46 other states (or 44 depending on how much of a stickler you are). That is the law. They were the last state to not allow carry and got bitch slapped by a federal court over it several years ago.

[David Brown]

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Wake up Australia.

[RDobber]

A good place to start with a small step could be permitting non lethal options such as pepper spray. I'd love to see people, especially females carrying this around. This could reduce a lot of the sexual predators targeting our women in society if it was permitted, and prove to the naysayers that people can be responsible with self defense utilities.

Not having a go at you but that's been tried and defeated before too

The argument was more criminals would use mace for hold ups and attacks so it would be worse to allow it

Same BS argument they put forward against everything with no evidence it trying anything.

[Bourt]

Chicago has been doing a trial in CC for the last few years if I've read right.

I believe as long as you don't have a felony conviction you're in.

There is no "trial," all of Illinois is Shall Issue (no reason needed) concealed carry, just like 46 other states (or 44 depending on how much of a stickler you are). That is the law. They were the last state to not allow carry and got bitch slapped by a federal court over it several years ago.

Getting my US locations crossed, I did actually mean the state of Illinois, not just the one city within it.

Maybe I read wrong or some anti-spun it to make it sound temporary but I thought the thing years ago was a trial, got it wrong some how I guess.