New Lever Action Laws.

[Abyssswolf]

Hey guys. A lot of you people would know about the debate concerning Lever action Shotguns and this Adler gun.

And well, I've read a few articles on news websites and it seems like they are trying to ban ALL lever action guns. So i would like to see if you guys know anything more about this topic.

The main thing i'm wondering about is will this affect all Lever actions or just the shotguns.

[KWhorenet]

Do us all a favor and please ask the authors of the articles or references you are viewing and update us all.

Pretty sure if there was an alarming rule change, not just hear say it would have a topic and outcries already if we knew anything.

Until then, we are all just mushrooms.

[Title_II]

Maybe the authors aren't reporting news but trying to make news happen.

[JOY]

I think you might be onto something there Tittle !!

[pajamatime]

um well this is all I know for now

http://ssaasa.org.au/national-agreement-on-lever-action-shotguns/

and this which was in a email from shooters union

The Australian Situation:

Anti-gun organisations, along with a number of Canberra and high-level state bureaucrats, have begun a quiet campaign for even more draconian firearms legislation across Australia over the past 12-18 months. This campaign includes:

• The Senate Inquiry, led by a Greens Party Senator, was a frontal attack on firearms ownership. Thankfully this turned into an “own” goal for the anti-gun lobby, when a majority of the committee issued a report favourable to firearms ownership

• Commonwealth Attorney General’s Office – the Firearms and Weapons Policy Working Group has made clear its desire to reclassify lever action firearms, both rifle and shotgun as category C.

• Media Releases suddenly over the past 3 weeks focusing on “reviewing” the National Firearms Agreement (NFA). These media releases are not random, but are in our belief part of a highly developed strategy to incite public concern and fear, opening the way for legislative changes. Australian gun control groups have a stream of media releases they are feeding the media at present.

Perhaps the most striking thing about this campaign is that it is not coming from politicians. Rather, this is a campaign devised by police and anti-gun lobbyists and directed at politicians in the hope of panicking them into a knee-jerk response.
Prevention better than cure:

Having seen the signs some months ago, SUQ began researching and contacting “experts” in firearms legislation in fellow commonwealth countries such as New Zealand and Canada to try and balance the misinformation being fed to politicians.

Canadian laws were a strong influence on the way Australia enacted laws after 1996 and so it made sense for us to find someone knowledgeable there.

Canada has actually been moving away from a number of the laws earlier put in place due to their findings of virtually ZERO effects on crime and public safety.

And one of the KEY politicians in Canada who spent over 15 years fighting to remove bad legislation in Canada is Garry Breitkreutz MP. He is one of the most knowledgeable people on firearms legislation internationally as well as a committed defender of traditional freedoms in Commonwealth nations.

Even though Garry is only in Australia for a few days due to his very busy schedule, we have arranged for him to have private meetings with key politicians (and hopefully police officials) in Canberra and also in Queensland. We hope that by hearing first hand of the lessons learned in Canada, and of the massive cost benefits as well as increased public safety from a more reasoned approach to firearms regulation, that we can inject some common sense into the debate and provide some balance in the information that is put before our politicians on the subject of firearms reforms.
Come One, Come All:

We are hosting just one open meeting in Brisbane where ALL our members and supporters may attend and learn just HOW Canada has changed the direction of firearms legislation for the better. Garry will be joined in Brisbane by Samara McPhedran Phd, one of the leading researchers into causes of violence in Australia and an excellent speaker.

I think its obvious they want to take everything by this point though right? end game is everything but we will eventually command and conquer in my opinion

[1290]

Dont worry about it...
National Buy-a-gun-week is coming up, consider it applying to the USA too title!

[Title_II]

I'd like to but I have more guns than money right now. Oh well

[Shorti85]

I heard from my LGS that NSW is making the new Adler a cat D. And the only thing decided in Vic, was it was going to be plugged to make it a 5 shot

[sandgroperbill]

All speculation at this point.

The only update i've heard from WA is that the police commissioner isnt interested in changing classifications.

But... This doesn't mean much AND this is WA

[pajamatime]

Yeah at the end of the day it was only a "Recommendation" which means there is a very real possibility it won't be taken seriously at all by some states or any of them(best case scenario). I have also heard that our enemy is really loosing momentum and we best not let our guard down not even for a little bit...keep the pressure on and we may eventually check mate them

Art of war my friends. it's essentially a information war...it would do us a incredible service to be out there not only educating people about our great sport but also showing people how unfairly treated we are and how much of a friendly positive and responsible bunch we all are.

Edit: might even be time for us to stick promotional stickers about the place lol
Especially for political parties like shooters and fishers and or liberal democrats...maybe even shooters unions and SSAA ? If not game enough to stick it on your vehicle put pin ups on community boards or even slap a random somewhere. Post pamphlets? If you love your firearms and you don't want to loose them then don't delay. =] (friendly neighbourhood morale officer PJ)

[Title_II]

Just please do something now. And after you do something, get others to do something.

[Wylie27]

So a SFP sticker on Bronwyn bishops head office then? Ohh crap I can do both her and Abbott...

Yeah northern beaches of Sydney here.

[sandgroperbill]

Maybe a bumper sticker on her helicopter?

[KWhorenet]

AbysssWolf ? Are you there?

Please don't do a Jonesy on us.

[on_one_wheel]

Maybe the authors aren't reporting news but trying to make news happen.

Thats exactly what's happening here and even some of us lafo's are falling for the media hype.

By talking about it we only keep the debate alive ... im sick of hearing about it, my lgs isn't worried the slightest so im just waiting for the nonsense to blow over while some minor changes are being made to the firearm’s act.

[Title_II]

Take action now.

Don't ask what to do. Don't ask who to call. Do it now. Once you are doing something you can work on a strategy to escalate. But postulating on a gun forum in the absence of action is retreat and surrender.

Whispering about guns in private and trying not to attract attention got us New Jersey in the USA. And Snookie.

Never fight fire with benign neglect.

Your action will inspire others. Start now. There is no time to waste.

[1290]

Maybe the authors aren't reporting news but trying to make news happen.

Thats exactly what's happening here and even some of us lafo's are falling for the media hype.

By talking about it we only keep the debate alive ... im sick of hearing about it, my lgs isn't worried the slightest so im just waiting for the nonsense to blow over while some minor changes are being made to the firearm’s act.

who's falling for the media hype? the non-firearm owners certainly are;

"Theres a firearm problem, and we has the solution! tighter guns laws!!"
Is being eatin' up....

You reckon we shouldnt talk about it? Back in the dark days of 96/97 I was a lot younger (obviously) and although I'd like to think well educated at the time, looking back I would more so describe it as well 'indoctrinated', pliable and naive to think that the government knew best....BULLSHIIT. The only thing the government knows is take more guns away. They sell that message easily, because the sheeple see the reports of drive-bys in west sydney (usually a 22 or a 12g blast to a garage door) followed by the ever present greens sound bite of 'ban the semi auto death pistol glove box automatic machine pistol gun"
AND BELIEVE IT!!!

So, NO, dont be quiet thinking it will be right, and blow over.... like I did when I obediently handed in the semi auto.... KEEP the debate alive.Take it to the tards! Why do you think your lgs doesnt care? Because if he doesnt sell 10 Adlers; he or she will sell 10 of something else!!! Its the punter who will lose the choice between a 7 shot lever or a double barrel...

Farrrrrr
(is it beer o'clock yet?)

[on_one_wheel]

Sounds like you need to put your tin foil hat on, you are listening to the media too much ... falling for their bs.

Infact the only change I've seen recently is relaxation of the rules surrounding the storage of powders in WA

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[pajamatime]

Maybe the authors aren't reporting news but trying to make news happen.

Thats exactly what's happening here and even some of us lafo's are falling for the media hype.

By talking about it we only keep the debate alive ... im sick of hearing about it, my lgs isn't worried the slightest so im just waiting for the nonsense to blow over while some minor changes are being made to the firearm’s act.

Yeah I think I mentioned somewhere ( can't remember where) that this ain't even a political level attack it's basically at the media and police level trying to knee jerk pollies into action through a flood of public opinion. But that failed and even that mostly went in our favour. So it is a very real possibility that this is all one big psyop to fk with people's heads lol

Edit: like I keep saying though....don't back down and keep educating pollies the public and really apply that pressure good and solid. Did you see that move by John Howard btw? If he's making appearances and trying to get funds and support its a good sign that they are concerned. Got those hoplophobes worried good me thinks! And we have been really killing those media releases.

[coloradoboy]

ok you guys in Australia are done for. if they can further regulate old technology (late 1800s) like the lever action then your bolt actions are going to go next time, then your break action shotguns, and then you guys are done...

[WildHunter]

We've just received breaking news this evening that the Federal Government, specifically Minister Keenan, has temporarily blocked the importation of the Adler pending the outcome of the review on the National Firearms Agreement (NFA).

A release from the SaF party, rest of article here: https://www.facebook.com/SFPVIC/posts/6 ... 59?fref=nf A lot of people (including the media are saying it's Tony Abbot who has done this and he is helping keep John Howard's gun laws. I'm 70% sure Prime Minister Abbott has not much to do with the decision and it's more Minister Keenan, just happens that Abbott is a Liberal PM - like Howard.

[wheedle]

ok you guys in Australia are done for. if they can further regulate old technology (late 1800s) like the lever action then your bolt actions are going to go next time, then your break action shotguns, and then you guys are done...

[graynomad]

ok you guys in Australia are done for. if they can further regulate old technology (late 1800s) like the lever action then your bolt actions are going to go next time, then your break action shotguns, and then you guys are done...

We'll still have our muzzle loaders (for a while at least)

[Title_II]

I think we all feel your pain, Colorado, but kind of a downer.

[coloradoboy]

yeah sorry. From my understanding, the pattern in Australia has been more and more regulation over the years so from this - in the future you guys are done. In the US, there is a good pro-firearm momentum in the south like in Texas, Georgia,etc as Texas has just legalized handgun OC and George has expanded carry laws. Even our maple syrup eating frost bitten northern neighbors Canada has recently abolished its registry except in liberal quebec , so Canada looks like it has the momentum.

you guys in Australia need the NRA pronto; they will help put a pacifier in this tony abbott character and his friends.

[Seik]

From my understanding, the pattern in Australia has been more and more regulation over the years

Yup

[on_one_wheel]

Maybe the authors aren't reporting news but trying to make news happen.

Thats exactly what's happening here and even some of us lafo's are falling for the media hype.

By talking about it we only keep the debate alive ... im sick of hearing about it, my lgs isn't worried the slightest so im just waiting for the nonsense to blow over while some minor changes are being made to the firearm’s act.

who's falling for the media hype? the non-firearm owners certainly are;

"Theres a firearm problem, and we has the solution! tighter guns laws!!"
Is being eatin' up....

You reckon we shouldnt talk about it? Back in the dark days of 96/97 I was a lot younger (obviously) and although I'd like to think well educated at the time, looking back I would more so describe it as well 'indoctrinated', pliable and naive to think that the government knew best....BULLSHIIT. The only thing the government knows is take more guns away. They sell that message easily, because the sheeple see the reports of drive-bys in west sydney (usually a 22 or a 12g blast to a garage door) followed by the ever present greens sound bite of 'ban the semi auto death pistol glove box automatic machine pistol gun"
AND BELIEVE IT!!!

So, NO, dont be quiet thinking it will be right, and blow over.... like I did when I obediently handed in the semi auto.... KEEP the debate alive.Take it to the tards! Why do you think your lgs doesnt care? Because if he doesnt sell 10 Adlers; he or she will sell 10 of something else!!! Its the punter who will lose the choice between a 7 shot lever or a double barrel...

Farrrrrr
(is it beer o'clock yet?)

I guess I need to eat my words now , even the prime minister is listening to the media hype.

1920 , when your done with the tin foil hat can you please give it to our PM, I think he needs it desperately.
Cheers

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[Abyssswolf]

Ok, so pretty much what you guys are saying is it is speculation at this point in time, And support parties like SFP and Liberal democrats.

An example that makes me wonder is this page: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/leverriflesoz

[sandgroperbill]

No. Itwas speculation, but now appears a little more serious.

The single biggest thing that lafos lack right now is coordination. We need coordination and communication to make sure all lafos know whats happening and what can be done about it. We need the protest rallies on the 29th to be huge so the pollies see they've upset 800 000 voters and it puts the wind up them and these stupid kneejerk changes get stopped in their tracks.

[headspace]

May I suggest that we start by getting rid of that post regarding concealed carry. In the current climate where we are trying to hang on to what we still have, it's not helpful either our image or our cause to have people banging on about something that is never going to happen. We need to concentrate of keeping what we have, including a lever action shotgun.